Narrator:
The reason for the appearance of God on earth due to the disgrace of religion? Gurudev Shyama Khyapa reveals the mystery YouTube Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKig1golVy8
Narrator:
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Interviewer:
Gurudev!
Gurudev:
Yes, son, go ahead.
Interviewer:
Gurudev, I've come to you today with a few more questions. My first question is this: We know that according to the Yajurveda, God is never born. However, according to the Bhagavad Gita, Lord Krishna says that whenever there is a decline in righteousness, He manifests himself in a physical form. Could you please shed some light on this?
Gurudev:
Look, this happened a long time ago. At that time, Krishna had not yet been born. In the Vedas, you will not find the existence of "God" in that sense; instead, you find "Nature." There are storms, water, rain, thunder-the twenty-four elements. Back then, there were twenty-four deities.
Gurudev:
The essence of those twenty-four deities is Omkar. From Omkar came Bhur Bhuvah Svah, which we recite as the Gayatri Mantra. Now, many Brahmins tell me that only they can recite the Gayatri, and Shudras cannot. But when the Gayatri was first composed, there were no divisions of Brahmin or Shudra.
Gurudev:
Later, Krishna was born, and he composed things according to his own vision. Krishna did not exist before the Vedas. The four Vedas were composed by Brahma-symbolically, of course. It is said that Brahma created the four Vedas with his four mouths. Beside him was Ganesha, who wrote the Vedas down. The Vedas are Shruti-knowledge gained through hearing. Maha-Saraswati gave her approval to this. On Brahma's left was Savitri and on his right was Saraswati. Saraswati approved it, and Ganesha transcribed what Brahma spoke.
Gurudev:
If you look at it, the Vedas are like a song-a form of knowledge. The Samaveda is entirely a song, as is much of the Rigveda. The Yajurveda is for the accumulation of power. There is a lot of discussion regarding these, but ultimately, the Vedas are Shruti-learned by listening.
Gurudev:
Brahma composed the four Vedas, Ganesha wrote them, and Saraswati approved them-this is what we find in tradition. But later, we come to understand that the Vedas represent the observations of great sages regarding nature-storms, water, rain, earthquakes, lightning. They were often afraid of these elements, so they created deities like Indra, Varuna, and Agni. They explained the powers of Varuna, Indra, and Fire.
Gurudev:
The Vedas are essentially about Nature. Sages practiced austerities to protect themselves from natural disasters. Through their meditation, they realized twenty-four principles, which they named as twenty-four deities. When these twenty-four were unified, the sound of Omkar emerged. The Gayatri Mantra is very ancient; it predates the social divisions of man and even the name of Krishna.
Gurudev:
One name that is found is "Kasmai Devaya Havisha Vidhema"-to which God shall we offer our oblations? They decided to offer oblations to the "Lord of the Universe" who is in the heavens-resplendent, immortal, auspicious, and powerful. This is a major chapter of the Vedas. Out of the twenty-four deities, ten Rigs (verses) are very important. One verse is lost or was never written, so we have nine. We perform rituals based on these nine deities.
Gurudev:
Everything happening in the world-storms, rain, earthquakes-how do we protect ourselves? Through meditation, sages realized these twenty-four deities. Later, they unified these into the sound of Omkar. Much later came the Gayatri Mantra. Sages used these cosmic energies for the benefit of humanity-to cure illnesses and troubles. Many mantras in the Vedas are for the welfare of man. Rituals were performed with ghee and fire, and people often found relief from their ailments.
Gurudev:
They eventually questioned: "To whom should we offer these sacrifices amidst all this natural chaos?" They chose the "Lord of the Universe" (Vishweshwar), or Mahadev, as the one to whom oblations should be given for protection and healing.
Gurudev:
So, it took a lot of effort by sages to realize the Vedas. We talk about Brahma, Vishnu, and Maheswar, but those names weren't there when the Vedas were first formed. The Vedas are entirely about Nature. Later, concepts of Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva were added by men and sages. Scientifically speaking, the Vedas don't really focus on "God" but on the cosmic forces. Sages channeled these forces for human use.
Interviewer:
Gurudev, I have another question. We spend our whole lives asking things of the Supreme Being. But what does the Supreme Being want? Does He have any demands from His devotees? And if so, is it possible for a human to understand those demands?
Gurudev:
By "devotee," what do you mean? Someone who "understands" God? Such a person believes God can grant many things-unparalleled knowledge and power that ordinary people cannot achieve. This has become our firm belief.
Gurudev:
But what does God want? This is a concept driven by the idea of God. In reality, God doesn't "want" anything. We don't even know for sure if He exists. These ideas emerged as human knowledge grew. I have never seen God want anything. What can we even give Him?
Gurudev:
The only thing we can offer is devotion and respect. As the saying goes, "Man becomes God, or an incarnation." People believe those they consider "God" have great power. If God exists, He only wants your respect and devotion. You must have faith. "In faith, you find the object; in argument, it is far away."
Gurudev:
The existence of God is a matter of great debate. I have practiced spiritual disciplines for nearly 40 years. I have explored the concept of God deeply, but I haven't "found" Him in that way. I have concluded that "God" is a human creation, a focus for our faith.
Gurudev:
Nature is playing its game constantly, whether you realize it or not. The breath you take is a gift of Nature. Without air, man would die. Is that the work of God? It is the work of Air. You are alive because of Oxygen. Even if a goddess like Kali stood before you, if your breath was cut off, you would die. Kali wouldn't be able to help then. You must look at things scientifically. Everything you see is a gift of Nature.
Gurudev:
Science has never fully accepted the traditional concept of God, and perhaps it never will. People in high professions might call upon God or sit before Him, but they often don't know what they are doing. Everything comes from Nature, yet we credit God. If a massive storm comes while I am sitting in an open field praying, it will blow me away. What will God do then? If lightning strikes, you will die. These are matters of deep thought.
Gurudev:
We are wealthy or poor because of what we take from Nature-from plants, from the earth. We use Nature to our advantage. Even the air is "food" for a saint. Without air, neither a saint nor a God matters.
Gurudev:
As the poet Ramprasad said: "For a few days, everyone considers themselves the master of the world. But the true Master will eventually take it all back. Think, O mind, no one belongs to anyone in this world."
Gurudev:
Today, education has spread, and people are trying to create new things, but always using Nature. We shouldn't deny Nature, which is the essence of the Vedas. When Krishna advised Arjuna, he spoke about social obstacles and the system of the four castes. But the world existed long before Krishna. Krishna was a very wise person who gave guidance to an ignorant Arjuna.
Gurudev:
Regarding temples: in the past, only true seekers went there. Now, it has become a trend for everyone. To establish an idol, one must channel cosmic energies into it. If you were to receive the "full power" of that energy, your head would burst. Power is a terrifying thing-like a massive cyclone.
Gurudev:
To conclude, I am a man of science. I don't believe in "God" in the way people typically describe Him. You might ask why I sit here, then. We all need an anchor, a place of refuge. For many, that is "Mother's feet." We must have faith because there is nothing else to hold onto as we move forward. The ultimate anchor for man is "God." I tell people to go to Him because I cannot do everything; my power is limited. That is the reality.
Interviewer:
Thank you, Gurudev. That is all for today. I will return with more questions soon. My respects to you.
Gurudev:
Bless you, my son. Bless you.