Interviewer:
Gurudev, Pranam.
Gurudev:
Pranam, child. Pranam.
Interviewer:
Today marks the 123rd birth anniversary of Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose, a heroic son of Mother India. Netaji was such a great man that he succeeded in the ICS examination during British rule. Yet, upon returning to India, he resolved that serving the British was not his mission. He then joined India's independence struggle and traveled to different corners of the world, allying with various powers to achieve India's freedom. Finally, independence came. However, the controversy surrounding Netaji's death continues to deeply trouble the public mind in India. We hear various statements from government and non-government sources. In this context, we would like to hear your thoughts.
Gurudev:
Netaji... we have 592 "Netas" (leaders) here, but the word "Ji" is missing from them. They are just Netas. Do you know what these leaders say? They say, "Give me money, and I will give you a job." They say, "Give me money, and I will cover up all your misdeeds." They say, "Give me money, and I will provide you with a certificate."
Gurudev:
What did Netaji say? Netaji said only one thing: Give me blood, and I will give you freedom.
Gurudev:
Now, the thing is, we are Bengalis. In the year 1897, a meteor fell from the sky of Bengalâthat was the day the heroic sannyasi, Netaji Subhash Chandra Bose, was born. It is a matter of great sadness, very great sadness, that to this day, so many lies have been spread about the mystery of his death. Every kind of falsehood imaginable has been propagatedâfrom government sources to private ones. Efforts were made to progress the investigation in some places, only to have it shut down. The true mystery has never been revealed.
Gurudev:
Since childhood, we have heard one thing: that Netaji's ashes are kept in the Renkoji Temple. We have heard this since we were young. But at this stage of my life, in my old age, I have come to know that those were the ashes of a dog or a fox. This is because some "foxes and dogs" were born who did not respect Netaji and never truly wanted India's independence; they only profited by talking about it. I am speaking about them. According to their statements, those were the remains of a fox or a dogâI say so.
Gurudev:
When we were young, we used to sing a song: O heroic Netaji Subhash, you did not return... While everywhere the song of 'Dilli Chalo' resounds, Today you are not among us, and the soul of the Mother weeps.
Gurudev:
We used to sing this song every year on Netaji's birthday. Now, I have to delve a bit deeper and perhaps say a few harsh things; otherwise, my heart will not find peace. I saw Netaji with my own eyes once, but only from behind. I couldn't see his face. I saw him just onceâone time.
Gurudev:
There was a gentleman here named Dulal Bhattacharya, who was a powerful tantric. We used to visit him occasionally with someone we called "Kaka Babu" (Uncle), who is the uncle of the current Municipality Chairman, Pallab Das. Kaka Babu maintained a close relationship with me. You will see many pictures of him here; he was very fond of me.
Gurudev:
Once, he said to me, "You are practicing Tantra; come with me to Dulal-da's place." So, we went. It wasn't very farâa place called Malancha, Gobindapur. Dulal-da was a simple man; he never mistreated anyone. He was very hospitable to those who visited, showing great love and offering us seats to chat. We went there out of spiritual attraction. He was a great tantric.
Gurudev:
One day, we arrived around 11:00 or 12:00 at night. As soon as we entered the house, his wife said, "Not today, not today. Go away, he isn't home." We thought, "He isn't home? But we just heard his voice!" Then we looked out into the lawn and saw a man sitting there with a transistor radio and a cigarette. We only saw his back; we couldn't see his face.
Gurudev:
Dulal-da came out and said, "What do you want? Go away, go away!" He was acting like he was chasing away dogs. His behavior was uncharacteristic; we were used to him inviting us in. The gentleman had a transistor in his hand, held to his ear, and from what I could understand, he was listening to Voice of America. He had a lit cigarette in his hand. While listening, as Dulal-da was telling us to leave, the man suddenly spoke: "Hey, who has come?"
Gurudev:
Kaka Babu mentioned his name. He lived in Bosepara, about half a kilometer from Netaji's house. He was a long-time resident there. When he gave his name, the man said, "Why have you come? Go away." He didn't turn his head. Then he said, "Wait, what is your father's name?" When Kaka Babu mentioned his father's name, the man shifted slightly. Then he said, "Go home from here. I am having some difficulty." His voice was very graveâextremely grave.
Gurudev:
Frightened, I left with Kaka Babu. Later, we went back to Dulal-da. He wasn't being rude this time and asked us to sit. I asked, "Why were you so angry with us that day?" He asked, "Do you know who had come? He was with me in secret for three days. As soon as people started noticing, he left. He called for a car at night and went straight to Kolkata." Dulal-da said, "Dulal, it isn't right for me to stay here anymore." This was about 35 or 36 years ago, and I am telling you the truth.
Gurudev:
Dulal Bhattacharya then asked, "Do you know who he was? Netaji." We were stunned. We didn't get to see his face, but I saw a scar on his back. I had heard that he underwent surgery on his back for some ailment when he was young; I saw that surgical scar.
Gurudev:
At that time, many revolutionaries used to visit Dulal-da. He was a revolutionary himself, though also a staunch tantric. He practiced with skulls and was known primarily as a tantric. Anyway, that man left for Kolkata in a car that night. Dulal-da didn't know exactly where in Kolkata he went. But he knew where he was heading after that. He went to Bhawanipore, and from there, straight to Lumding by car. Dulal-da had gone to Lumding, but many people blocked his path and wouldn't let him near the man's quarters. Dulal-da said, "Tell him Dulal Bhattacharya has come. If he says no, I will go back." When the message was delivered, the man said, "Call him in." When Dulal-da went in, the man said, "You must leave this place immediately, or you might be killed." Dulal-da came back. If he were alive today, he could have revealed many mysteries. We only heard a little; he didn't tell us much.
Gurudev:
Think about itâa man who could adopt so many disguises, from a Kabul-wala to anything else. There wasn't a language he didn't know. He had many body doubles. During the Tashkent Agreement, Lal Bahadur Shastri was there, and he saw him. When Shastri was dictating to Netaji, they killed him that day. He had seen Netaji at the Tashkent Agreement.
Gurudev:
Even today, as far as we know, many things are happening at his signal. He is currently in "Gyanganj," where he is being nurtured with great care. His age isn't just 123 years. Today, Yuddhisthira's age is 400 years. Babaji Maharaj, who is there, is 2,500 years oldâthe Guru of Yogiraj Shamacharan Lahiri. There is another lady there who is 1,200 years old. So, age is not a factor there. He will emerge at the same age he was when he entered Gyanganj. As far as I know, he is being cared for by great saints and sages. It is said that when China and Pakistan attack India together, he will reappear.
Gurudev:
Many commissions were set up, but not one could give a correct answer. Later, "Gumnami Baba," who looked like Netaji, also turned out to be a failure. Netaji used many disguises, much like how Bin Laden had many doubles. The real Netaji is still alive. The life given in every breath does not perish... Netaji has not perished; he cannot perish. My firm belief is that age is nothing for him. He will return at the same age he entered Gyanganj.
Gurudev:
Netaji used to perform Durga Puja. Even when he was escaping in a submarine, he performed Durga Puja inside it. He was a great devotee of Goddess Durga. If Swami Vivekananda were alive today, Bengal wouldn't be in this state, and there would have been a resolution regarding Netaji. It is my misfortune that Swamiji died young. Had he lived through Netaji's time, he could have at least intervened. We are novices. Many commissions are sitting, and big people are writing things.
Gurudev:
Actually, the biggest culprit is the Gandhi family. Today, the Gandhi family is reaping what they sowed. They have to. Why? Because during the salt march or any other movement, when Hindus were being oppressed, Gandhi sat silently. He had two "sons"âone was Jawaharlal Nehru and the other was Mohammad Ali Jinnah. He thought, "Who is this Netaji?"
Gurudev:
It is a great regret for us that Gandhi did not allow Netaji's funeral rites to be performed. He forbade them. But why? There are many reasons. When Hindus were being beaten, he remained silent, but when Muslims were affected, he would protest and start movements. This is why Nathuram Godseâwhose name you knowâshot Gandhi. He was none other than Aghornath Biswas, a Bengali RSS worker. Before his death, Gandhi said that Netaji's last rites should not be performed. What does that mean? It means he knew Netaji hadn't died and was somewhere. Otherwise, he would have said to perform the rites.
Gurudev:
It is our misfortune as Bengalis that such a great soul was born in our land. Go to other statesâMeghalaya, Imphal, Punjabâand you will see his picture in every home. It is our shame as Bengalis. 30 or 35 years ago, he was called "Tojo's dog." When the CPM government was in power, they called him "Tojo's dog" and called Rabindranath a "bourgeois poet."
Gurudev:
We hoped that once that government left, things would change. I had great faith in "Didi" (Mamata Banerjee). I believe in her. Whatever else she does is not for me to say, but I believed she might reveal some of the mystery. But for some reason, she is also being stopped. She isn't being allowed to speak. She might know something; it's not that she knows nothing.
Gurudev:
For us Bengalis, there is no greater regret than this. A heroic Bengali who was respected by the whole world, including Hitler. During the 1945 bombing when Japan was defeated, Netaji was somewhat set back. He had come quite far, through Imphal. But the Gandhi family declared that if he entered India, he would be arrested. Yet they themselves wouldn't be arrested!
Gurudev:
You might have heard the name of Dr. Syama Prasad Mukherjee. The torture he was subjected to before his death is unimaginable. During the winter in Kashmir, he was killed by being buried under snowâso I have heard. We are that Bengali race. We are proud of Ashutosh Mukherjee, Shibnath Shastri, Womesh Chandra Bonnerjee... where are they now? Who knows them? No one has made them known.
Gurudev:
I hoped Didi would do something, but all she does is beat the drum in the morning with children, give out some food, and declare a holiday. Netaji is a big deal to us, so we offer some garlands. But I truly expected something from Didi, some help. Today, it remains a question mark.
Gurudev:
I firmly believe that Netaji has not died and cannot die. Those who say he has are fools. They are fools. I want Netaji to come here. During independence, he said to keep India under military rule for at least 10 years. But who would listen to him? Gandhi was there with his two "sons," Jawaharlal and Jinnah.
Gurudev:
When Indira Gandhi told her grandfather, while at Shantiniketan, that she loved Feroze and wouldn't marry anyone else, Jawaharlal Nehru was at a loss. He said, "It doesn't matter, I consider Feroze my own son. I give him the 'Gandhi' title." Many older people know what happened and how Netaji was mistreated. God will give a fitting reply. Lies do not last forever; one day the truth will be revealed. Where will these people go then? Those who are playing games with Netaji today... truth cannot be suppressed for long. Lies may run for a while, but when the truth comes out, where will they go? Where will the Gandhi family go?
Gurudev:
One day, Netaji will emerge; that is my firm belief. I am saying this as my personal view; no one else should be blamed for it. I am expressing the anger I hold in my heart. So, I have spoken briefly. I know he is alive.
Gurudev:
O heroic Netaji Subhash, you did not return... While everywhere the song of 'Dilli Chalo' resounds, Today you are not among us, and the soul of the Mother weeps.
Gurudev:
A day will come, a day will come very soon, when he might reappear. Some may call me mad or insane, but given the current situation of society, especially in West Bengal, a man like him is needed right nowâat this very moment. I pray to God day and night for his health. May he be well and reappear in the same physical state as when he entered Gyanganj. When Babaji Maharaj gave initiation to Syama Prasad, he appeared as a young man despite being 2,500 years old. There is a place in our country, Gyanganj, where age doesn't matter. I hope he returns and straightens the spine of this nation. It has become bent. The spine of the Bengali race has become bent. A man like him is needed to straighten it. If Vyasadeva were alive, he might have straightened it, but today, a man like Netaji is needed. I pray for his health and his timely reappearance.
Interviewer:
Gurudev, Pranam. You heard from Gurudev; he said that these are his personal views. We also want a resolution to the questions in the minds of the people regarding Netaji, rather than controversy. I would like to ask our friends to subscribe more and more to our YouTube channel, "Gupta Sadhak Shyamakhyapa," and to share and like the videos broadcast on this channel. Pranam, Gurudev.
Gurudev:
Pranam, child. Pranam.