Disciple:
Greetings, Gurudev.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Greetings.
Disciple:
Gurudev, how is your health now?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
The doctor saw me yesterday and will check again tomorrow. Regular check-ups are ongoing. I am feeling a bit better now. Previously, I had bowel movements 8, 10, or even 12 times a day; now, it's just once. For the last three days, it's been once a day. That was causing me a lot of trouble, but it has resolved now. I am doing well. Yes.
Disciple:
Gurudev, the day after tomorrow, January 22nd, the new Ram Mandir in Ayodhya is being inaugurated; the consecration will take place. Gurudev, I want to ask you something. Rama came in the Treta Yuga, and he had great significance. Then Krishna came in the Dvapara Yuga. Is there any difference between the two?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Krishna once said: Paritranaya sadhunam vinashaya cha dushkritam, dharma-samsthapanarthaya sambhavami yuge yuge. I will come in every age to protect the righteous, destroy the wicked, and re-establish Dharma. He said this long ago in the Gita.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Regarding the Ram Mandir, I have a comment. The Shankaracharya of Puri has questioned how PM Modi can perform the rituals. He says Modi is not a Brahmin and hasn't performed certain traditional roles.
Disciple:
He was married, as far as we know, but he didn't lead a domestic life.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Regardless of whether he lived a domestic life, the rule is to have one's wife by their side. There are many such discussions going on; I'm just repeating what I've heard. I don't know for sure, but I feel that such rituals shouldn't be performed by anyone other than a Brahmin.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Although, if you look at the Ramayana, Rama's birth happened due to the curse of a blind hermit. Once, the blind hermit asked his son to fetch some water. While the son was fetching water, King Dasharatha, who possessed the Shabda-vedhi (sound-aiming) arrow, shot and killed the boy by mistake. He brought the boy's body to the blind hermit. The hermit said, "The pain I feel today for my son, you too shall suffer for yours." This curse eventually came to pass. No one was born yet—not Rama, Lakshmana, Bharata, or Shatrughna. There are many stories like the consumption of the divine fruit. But the core story is this: the hermit said, "Just as I am dying while weeping for my son, you will die weeping for yours."
Disciple:
King Dasharatha didn't realize; he thought it was the sound of a waterfall or an animal drinking water.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes, that's right. He shot the arrow unknowingly. See, our Lord Narayana has ten incarnations. First, when the Earth was submerged in water, he took the Matsya (Fish) avatar. After Matsya came Kurma (Tortoise), who lives both on land and in water. Then came the Varaha (Boar) avatar. Some say the Muslim community avoids pork because the boar is a symbol of Vishnu.
Disciple:
It has the face of a boar.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes. Muslims avoid it because it's a symbol of Narayana. They don't eat it; it's considered haram (forbidden). This is the underlying philosophy, nothing else. Then came Narasimha. Look at the cycle—neither lion nor man. Then came the Satya Yuga with the Vamana (Dwarf) avatar. Narayana as a short man holding an umbrella. That was the start of Satya Yuga. Then came Parashurama. He initiated many and taught the use of weapons. Then came the Rama avatar. After that, Krishna isn't technically called an avatar; Balarama is the incarnation. Krishna is never referred to as an avatar. It goes Rama, Balarama, Buddha, and Kalki.
Disciple:
Rama, Balarama, Buddha, Kalki.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Our Shankaracharya doesn't want to accept Buddha. They have essentially removed Buddha and placed Jagannatha there instead. But no one can truly deny Buddha. And Kalki—well, I don't know if he's been born yet. This will continue for another 50 years. The Kalki era, or rather the end of it, will take at least 50 years. Kalki is coming with immense power. He will need the seven immortals (Chiranjivi); without them, he cannot succeed. He must take the seven immortals—like Markandeya Rishi, Hanuman, Parashurama—he must have them. Otherwise, he can't win the war, because the war must be fought both at home and abroad.
Disciple:
So the Kalki of the Kali Yuga is so powerful that the Kalki avatar must take these seven with him?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Exactly. He must take the seven immortals, or he won't be successful. Kali is coming with terrifying intensity. I don't know when he will be born or what will happen; I don't need to know. However, this will continue until the year 2050. It will take 50 years for this era to end. Even if Kalki hasn't been born yet, he will be, he will grow up, and then...
Disciple:
Gurudev, according to Bhawishya Malika, the Kalki avatar has already been born. It says he is staying in a secret place with nearly 80,000 Narayani soldiers.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes, that has been said. We were the ones who spoke of Bhawishya Malika. Now see, in the Ramayana, different deities—rather, Narayana—come at different times for specific tasks. Rama came to kill Ravana. It was a battle between Dharma and Adharma (unrighteousness). In that battle, Ramachandra killed Ravana. Who was with him? Hanuman—essentially animals. Completely animals. There were no humans. Nila and the others—none of them were human; they were all animals. Jambavan—none of them were human. He finished the task with them; he killed Ravana with their help. They crossed the sea; they built a bridge. At that time, Nila and others like Jambavan were very skilled engineers. They discovered a type of stone that floats on water. These are called floating stones. If you write Rama's name and throw them in, they float. I still have a piece of such a stone. It floats when put in water. This stone is very significant, and the bridge was built using it. I don't know the internal workings, but the bridge was made with these stones, as far as I know.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
But when Krishna came in the Dvapara Yuga—Rama came in Treta. So it goes Satya, Treta, Dvapara, Kali. When Bali Raj or the Brahmins were there, it was Satya Yuga. No one told lies. "Speak the truth, speak the truth, don't tell lies"—that was it. Later, Ramachandra faced some criticism—like making Sita undergo the fire ordeal or sending her to the forest. He incurred a bit of fault.
Disciple:
One part sin, three parts virtue.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Then came Dvapara. In Dvapara, sin and virtue were equal. Two and two. And in Kali Yuga?
Disciple:
Three parts sin, one part virtue.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Because of that one part of virtue, the world still stands today. NASA says the Earth will be destroyed, but nothing will happen. The Earth will remain as it is; it might tilt a bit, I can't say for sure, but the Earth will remain and people will remain. Maybe not this many people; many will die in various ways. That's not a big deal. When there are too many people, God himself will intervene. Most people now have bad characters. According to the Gita, God will not protect those with bad characters; he will surely destroy them. Those who are good will survive.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
In Dvapara, Krishna played his games with humans. Everything he did was with humans. There were no animals or beasts involved; it was only humans. And what is happening in Kali Yuga? There is one part virtue and three parts sin. This one part virtue cannot be maintained against the three parts of sin. Whatever virtue remains, the sinners will destroy. I heard from Bhawishya Malika that our population of 33 crore will remain.
Disciple:
When India became independent, there were 33 crore people.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
And in the whole world, only 30 crore will remain. A total of 63 crore people will survive. This is what has been said. How they will die—big germs are coming. The 'X' germ that has emerged—just a touch and it's over. And now war has entered our Asia as well.
Disciple:
War has started.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It has already started. Now, who takes which side and who supports whom—destruction will happen this way. Like the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, today's bombs are 10 or 20 times more powerful. If so many died in Hiroshima, imagine how many will die now. They say there are 13,000 nuclear bombs in the world. If those explode, what will happen? Nothing will be left. It will wipe out the Earth. Anyway, that is God's business; we have to rely on Him. If we survive, we survive; otherwise, we die. Kali will rule for another 50 years. And he will work with the seven immortals. Without this, he won't be able to do it. No matter how much power he brings, he relies on these seven—Hanuman, Vibhishana, Markandeya Rishi, and...
Disciple:
King Bali, Parashurama, Kripacharya, Ashwatthama.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
They are still here. Without their help... one watch of the war is still left. One watch is left, according to Bhawishya Malika. And there are some who didn't get time to fight, who couldn't show their skills.
Disciple:
They will also be born.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
They will be born and they will lead the war.
Disciple:
Bhima's other son, Baharur—he was a great warrior, but Krishna kept him away.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
He kept many away. Eklavya... he kept many away and didn't let them fight. They will be the ones to fight the war. It will be a war of one day, but it will be a terrible war. Yes.
Disciple:
Gurudev, did Rama come only to kill Ravana, or were there other tasks?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
He came with various purposes. Krishna came to destroy the Kauravas; he had no other task. Every deity comes with a specific agenda, and once it's finished, they leave.
Disciple:
Between Rama and Krishna—can their miracles be compared?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
See, in the Ramayana, Rama could not use the Sudarshana Chakra. He didn't even have it. He had the Gandiva (bow). He broke the bow of Shiva. But Krishna could use the Sudarshana Chakra, which can kill millions. Parashurama gave it to him. It was originally Shiva's weapon. Shiva gave it to Parashurama, and Parashurama gave it to Krishna. Later, Shiva said that if Adharma (unrighteousness) is committed, this Chakra will no longer work. It won't work even in Krishna's hands. When the 16,000 gopis were being dragged away by the Yavanas, he couldn't do anything. His Chakra didn't work. So, when the Chakra was given, it was said that it wouldn't work if used for unrighteousness. And that's what happened. And the Kalki avatar has his sword. He doesn't need a Chakra; he has his sword and the power of the seven immortals and other warriors. That's it.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
So, out of the four ages, we have three. In Satya Yuga, Badrinath—it's still there. In Treta, Rameshwaram. In Dvapara, the temple of Puri. Will the temple of Kali Yuga be the Ram Mandir?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
I think it will be the Ram Mandir. Exactly. It will be the Ram Mandir, I believe. No other temple is being built like it.
Disciple:
Maybe later.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
When would it be later? After the end of Kali Yuga? That's a different matter; something huge might happen then, I can't say. But the current target, I think, is the temple of Ram Lalla. The temple of Kali Yuga.
Disciple:
But Gurudev, the saint who wrote Bhawishya Malika, Swami Achyutananda—he's the greatest among them. What he wrote 500-600 years ago is not only coming true, but many things have already matched. According to Bhawishya Malika, in 2032, a new world order will be established. And by 2028-29, everything will be destroyed. So, I believe Kalki has already been born; he is hiding somewhere and will surely emerge when the time is right. We might not know who will live or die, but we are very lucky that we might get to see them.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
That is 100% true. Hanuman is manifesting now. Vibhishana is manifesting. Shurpanakha is manifesting. Luv and Kush are manifesting. I don't know for sure, but I'm saying what I hear. Ashwatthama was already seen; many have seen him.
Disciple:
Gurudev, we are all hopeful about the Ram Mandir. Sanatan Dharma is rising again. Hopefully, India will be declared a Hindu Rashtra in the future.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It will happen. It will be done this way.
Disciple:
I think after the 2024 elections. Anyway, it will become a Hindu Rashtra. And not just Hindus, even Muslims are participating in this temple. They have donated a lot of money. They want this temple to be established beautifully. They say Rama is their ancestor; they have accepted this.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It could be; there's no reason it wouldn't be.
Disciple:
Alright Gurudev, let's end here for today. Greetings, Gurudev.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Greetings.
The Emergence of Kalki Avatar
Gurudev:
Kalki is coming with immense power. To succeed, He will need the seven immortals (*Chiranjivi*)—Markandeya Rishi, Hanuman, Parashurama, King Bali, Vibhishana, Kripacharya, and Ashwatthama. Without them, the war cannot be won, as it must be fought on all fronts.
Disciple:
According to *Bhawishya Malika*, the Kalki avatar has already been born and is staying in a secret place with 80,000 *Narayani* soldiers.
Gurudev:
Yes, that has been said. This transition period will continue until around 2050. The *Kalki* era, or the end of it, will take time. In the Ramayana, Rama used the help of Hanuman and others—beings of nature—to kill Ravana. In *Dvapara*, Krishna's play was primarily with humans. But in *Kali Yuga*, sin and virtue are imbalanced—three parts sin and one part virtue. This imbalance will lead to divine intervention.
The Great Destruction and Survival
Gurudev:
The Earth will not be completely destroyed, but many will perish. God will not protect those with bad characters. As *Bhawishya Malika* suggests, only a small portion of the population—around 63 crore worldwide—will survive. New diseases and wars are already entering our world. The war will be terrible but short—a "war of one day" that will be lead by those who were kept away from previous battles, like the sons of the great warriors of old.
Comparing Divine Powers
Gurudev:
Rama had the *Gandiva* and broke Shiva's bow, but he did not use the *Sudarshana Chakra*. Krishna had the *Sudarshana Chakra*, but it was ordained that it would not work for unrighteousness. The *Kalki* avatar will have His sword and the collective power of the seven immortals.
Just as Badrinath was for Satya Yuga, Rameshwaram for Treta, and Puri for Dvapara, the Ram Mandir in Ayodhya is destined to be the significant temple of Kali Yuga.
Disciple:
According to *Bhawishya Malika*, by 2032, a new world order will be established. We are lucky if we get to witness these manifestations.
Gurudev:
That is 100% true. The immortal beings and the great spirits of old are already beginning to manifest. Sanatan Dharma is rising again.