Host:
Gurudev, offering my salutations to Mother Shanti-Kunja and Bama Tara, and salutations to you as well. We begin today's episode.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes, speak.
Host:
Gurudev, we did two episodes on Tarapith over the last two days. Many comments have come in; we've seen them—a mix of good and bad. People have also learned many things that they didn't know before. Similarly, there was a comment from a gentleman, a Brahmachari-ji. He wants to know from you about the Homa (fire rituals) performed on Kaushiki Amavasya for the welfare of humanity. You previously mentioned that no one should perform Homa at Tarapith. However, he is asking why it shouldn't be done, given that the Homa performed there during Kaushiki Amavasya is for human welfare. He believes it is appropriate. What is your view on this matter?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
First of all, I offer my salutations to him as a Brahmachari. In our current situation, celibacy (Brahmacharya) is the greatest path. Mother and God both hold a Brahmachari in high regard. I apologize to him for my stance. But I will tell you one thing—perhaps you don't know, but I was there for 12 years and I still visit frequently. What you are suggesting is not quite the case. Many people go there with groups or contact the Pandas (priests) for various purposes. It could be for something good or something bad. I have never seen a Homa being performed there for world peace or human welfare. Even here, we perform Homa every moment with the intention of world peace and human welfare. But you won't hear about or see that happening there. I don't believe anyone even utters the words "world peace" or "human welfare" there; I haven't seen it.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Firstly, it is a massive cremation ground (Shmashan). I'm not saying good work never happens—it surely does—but the vast majority of people go there for improper activities: to control someone (Vashikaran), to kill someone (Maran), or to uproot someone's peace (Ucchatan). I've seen it. Almost everyone who performs Homa at Tarapith knows me. I have never heard of this "welfare" rituals. It would be wonderful if it happened, but people from various places arrive, coordinate with the Pandas, and then perform their Homa. Without a Panda, you aren't even allowed to perform Homa there. Most importantly, Homa for world peace or human welfare simply does not occur there. I can guarantee that. I doubt the Brahmins who perform the rituals there have even heard of those terms. They all focus on Maran, Ucchatan, or Vashikaran. I've witnessed it. People go there to settle scores after a fight or a dispute. That is how it works.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Maharaj, you may not be aware of the activities that take place there; seeing them with my own eyes filled me with such revulsion that I no longer wish to go to Tarapith. However, Baba (Bama Khepa) is there, and Mother is there. Humans can be bad, but deities are not. The land where Bamdev Baba roamed can never be bad. People are corrupting it, and they are suffering for it. I saw Langta Baba and McDowell Baba—where are they now? They vanished, and they weren't even that old. I saw McDowell Baba marry an Italian girl, have children, return to Tarapith, and pass away.
Host:
Gurudev, are you saying that performing bad deeds is what caused them to leave this world?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
People come to us for bad things—"do this for me, do that for me." Often, the person performing the work listens to only one side without considering the truth. You might come to me saying you're in great danger, but perhaps you created that danger yourself. Then you ask me to fix it. I only hear your side. Someone might say their neighbor is harming them, but how do I know if you harmed them first? It's impossible to judge like that. When we only hear one side, it is not right to act upon it.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
And Maharaj, you mentioned Ma Sarada, the companion of Ramakrishna Dev. She didn't differentiate between good and bad people; she said, "everyone is mine." But that is not the whole story. Sometimes a mother will say, "It's better if such a son were gone." I have heard this with my own ears. Mothers say this out of deep pain. So, good is good, and bad is bad. No one can tolerate badness, not even a mother. He might have casually said, "I am the mother of the good and the bad." A mother of five children might have one who is a thief and another who is a doctor or engineer. She can say both are her children. But she meant it in a different context. You are not interpreting it correctly. Ma Sarada meant it differently.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Secondly, this Mother (Tara) is not a mother born from a womb. She doesn't care if you or I die.
Host:
Tara Ma?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
She doesn't care. So many people die in train accidents while traveling to worship her or on their way back. There are many accidents on the road. What does it matter to her? She is not a mother from a womb. If she were, she would have grieved for her lost children. She is not that kind of mother. Even if you beg for a glass of water all day, she won't give it to you. You keep calling her "Mother," but this Mother is very different from a human mother. You are confusing the two. It makes no difference to her who dies. A human mother would go mad if her child died, but this Mother does not. Why? Because if you lie there all night asking for water, she won't give it.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
The point is, Tarapith is a great spiritual seat (Maha Peeth). Countless saints have attained enlightenment (Siddhi) there beyond what anyone can imagine. We only know a few names like Vashishtha or Bamdev Baba. Tara Khepa and many of Bamdev's disciples also attained Siddhi. But that does not mean I should go to Tarapith to perform bad deeds. What is currently happening—Maran, Ucchatan, Vashikaran—is extremely prevalent. I spent a long time there and saw it for myself. I felt revulsion that humans could try to kill each other like this.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
I'll give you a small example, Maharaj, listen. This is a true story. A sand truck was unloaded in front of a wealthy man's house. When the man returned from his office and saw the sand, he asked who had dumped it. He called the person responsible and slapped him four times. The sand wasn't even inside the house, just near it. That boy didn't say a word. He went to Tarapith and performed a ritual so powerful that the gentleman couldn't get out of bed for six months. A disciple of mine came to me—this is a true story—saying, "He has a car, and I drive for him. He is very sick. It would be good if you could visit." I asked where he lived. He took me there on a bicycle in the evening. I saw the gentleman screaming in pain—it was agonizing. I asked where it hurt. He said his whole body, especially his waist and legs. He said he stays awake all night screaming in pain. I asked why this had happened. He didn't know. He had seen the best doctors in Kolkata and even traveled to Vellore, but the pain wouldn't subside. I asked when the pain occurred. He said it starts at sunrise and worsens at sunset. From the evening, it lasts all night, and then it subsides slightly after the sun rises. I asked for some Ganga water. He said, "No need for that. Many people have come with stones and asked for 25,000, 10,000, or 20,000 rupees. I cannot give any money." I told him I wasn't asking for money, just Ganga water. His mother brought some, and I performed some rituals on his body. Then I left. Three days later, the gentleman came to me in his car. He asked me to help him again. I said I couldn't go to his house, but I would help him there. I worked on his legs and waist. He recovered completely. He is very wealthy and asked me what I wanted in return. I told him I don't take money. He was surprised since I had cured such a major illness. He went to the market and brought a large pot of Rasgullas for everyone in the ashram. He was completely healed. I have had many such experiences. I told you some other stories this morning as well.
Host:
Gurudev, the core question was this: in the last two episodes, you said that one shouldn't perform Homa at Tarapith because bad deeds are done there. Should Homa not be performed even for good purposes?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It is a large cremation ground. Lighting a fire there is like lighting a funeral pyre. One must understand this properly. People don't know the correct methods. They take several bottles of alcohol, sit in the cremation ground, perform a Homa, and then start drinking heavily. I have seen this with my own eyes. How can I believe they are doing it for world peace? I have never heard of a Homa for world peace or human welfare at Tarapith. I don't think anyone there has even heard of such a thing.
Host:
You mean if it were done for world peace, it might have actually worked?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It would have worked! Mother Tara would have shown mercy and provided help.
Host:
She would have accepted it.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Certainly! Why wouldn't she? But the "fire" you see there now is a game of money—crores of rupees. And regarding Kaushiki Amavasya—Maharaj, let me tell you one thing: a householder (Grihi) should not go there on that day. Only Tantriks, those practicing Tantra, or great saints go to the Mother on Kaushiki Amavasya. In my opinion, householders should avoid it. I have many explanations for this. I don't know where you live, but if you visit, I can explain it to you scientifically. I don't want to go beyond science. Lighting a fire in such a large cremation ground is essentially a funeral pyre. Who are you "burning"? Secondly, people go there and give names and lineages (Gotra). They "deposit" these names in the cremation ground. But the cremation ground has its own nature; it needs "food." It needs dead bodies as food. Now, if someone's name is deposited there, they might suddenly die in an accident or from a heart attack. I have thousands of examples of this.
Host:
The Brahmachari asked if the Homa is for human welfare.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Absolutely not. That is a falsehood. It is done for specific individuals. If you want to kill someone, distress them, or control them—that is what those rituals are for. No "good" Homa happens there. People take others there solely for money. I have seen many "shastris" (priests) performing Homa and then lying unconscious from drink. We have seen a great deal of this. So, I am telling him—he might not know the full picture, but I am speaking from complete knowledge. It took me 12 years to attain Siddhi at Tarapith. I know every brick and stone there. Having seen so much, I feel a deep revulsion. I cannot even imagine such things happening at Tarapith. Depositing the name of a living person in the cremation ground... Names are usually read when offerings are made to the dead. But in this "awakened" cremation ground, they ask for names and lineages to "bury" them. Then the Tantrik waits to see why it hasn't worked yet—why the person hasn't died or suffered. I have seen this with my own eyes.
Host:
It's happening because of people's ignorance. The Tantriks or Pandas are misleading them.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It's for money. Only for money. People do wrong knowingly or unknowingly. They know it's a sin, but they do it anyway and suffer the consequences. There's no doubt about it. Tarapith is now full of fake saints. There are no real saints left there. I say this as a "son of Bamdev." I can say it loudly—there are no true saints there.
Host:
You mentioned an episode where you went with someone from Uttarakhand, and he performed Homa himself while you guided him. You suffered for a month and a half after that.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
I suffered for a month and a half! I kept praying to the Mother and slowly recovered. I do not tell lies. I am Bama's son. I can say it with full conviction.
Host:
The way you speak, Gurudev, we know you are an honest person. You went there only for someone's welfare, yet you suffered. But people are doing so much wrong...
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
What more is left to suffer? In the year 2020, I predicted that people would die on the streets and no one would touch them. What more do people want? Enmity has been created between people. Society is divided. No one visits each other anymore. No one goes to weddings due to the fear of Corona. Corona has divided society.
Host:
These wrongs are even happening in sacred places.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
You can see that. No one is good there. Not even a single Panda at Tarapith is good. I have asked them directly. I've told them, "You are at the Mother's feet, what are you worried about?" I have said this to them.
Host:
Friends, you've heard Gurudev's words. We have discussed Tarapith with him for three consecutive days. You have learned many things. If you want to protect yourselves, you should follow his words.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
100%. I salute the Brahmachari-ji again. Brahmacharya is the greatest thing in the world. No Tantrik, saint, or sage is above Brahma. We have immense respect for those who live by the conduct of Brahma. Perhaps he hasn't visited Tarapith extensively or doesn't have a deep acquaintance there; he might be speaking from hearsay. I don't have the right to comment on him personally. But he holds some misconceptions. However, it's good; there should be criticism. Otherwise, these truths wouldn't come out. I have seen everyone at Tarapith—Langta Baba, McDowell Baba, Shakar Baba, Kalobaran. I have sat and talked with all the major Tantriks and Pishach-siddhas. Kalobaran was a Pishach-siddha. You have likely heard of Shankar Khepa; he was a realized soul (Siddha Purush). I have seen them all and only then do I speak. I don't say anything without having seen it. I say it again—I am Bama's son. I don't speak nonsense or lies.
Host:
Offering our salutations to Mother Shanti-Kunja and Bama Tara, and salutations to you. We conclude today's episode. Pranams, Gurudev.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Pranams.
In my opinion, householders (Grihis) should avoid Tarapith during Kaushiki Amavasya. That day is meant for serious Tantriks and saints. For a common person, the spiritual "heat" and the prevalence of improper rituals can be harmful. I have personally suffered for over a month after helping someone counteract a dark ritual from Tarapith—even when my intent was purely for their welfare.
The Commercialization of Faith
Gurudev:
Much of what happens there now is a game of money. Fake saints and commercial priests mislead people for profit. As a "son of Bama Khepa," I say this loudly because it is the truth. We must return to genuine practice and peace, rather than using the Mother's name to harm others. If *Homa* were truly done for world peace, the Mother would surely accept it—but that is rarely what is happening in the fires of Tarapith today.