Interviewer:
Gurudev, pranam.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Pranam.
Interviewer:
Gurudev, this time the Mother Goddess arrived on a horse (Ghotok) and departed on a horse as well. Could you tell us about the consequences of this?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Listen, first one needs to know which days the Mother arrives on a horse and which days she arrives on an elephant.
Interviewer:
Is it determined by the day? For example, if she arrives on a Saturday...
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes, it's based on the day. This time, she arrived on a horse on Saturday, the day of Saptami. And she departed on a Tuesday, Dashami. This arrival and departure on a horse indicates what we call a 'Morok'—a period of mass mortality or great disaster. You won't see the effects immediately, but they will manifest soon. Eight new viruses have already been found in China, and lockdowns have begun in various places. Can you imagine the disaster that's coming? They say it might take 50 million people—no more, no less. Eight viruses have been found, and none are less dangerous than the others. Doctors are not yet familiar with them. It's very frightening. Since the Mother arrived and departed on a horse, this mass mortality is inevitable. It starts a few months later.
Interviewer:
Like the recent train accident... so many people died.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
The whole world is in turmoil. It's hard to say what will happen next. One event after another is occurring. The Mother doesn't just visit West Bengal; she visits the whole world. So, her arrival and departure on a horse signifies a global disaster. If she comes on a Monday, she arrives on an elephant. There are different symbols for different days. This time, it's the horse—and that means disaster. We are seeing the signs already.
Interviewer:
There is news of those eight viruses from China...
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It's expected to take 50 to 100 million lives. Who knows? Even in India, there is a fever spreading.
Interviewer:
Yes, but that seems seasonal.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes, that is under control. Doctors can manage that. But in many places abroad, you won't even find a doctor easily. A single visit can cost 20,000 rupees. Only hospital doctors provide service there; private family doctors are rare. And they don't get minor illnesses like malaria or dengue because there are no mosquitoes there. Last night, I got a call from abroad. Someone was saying his daughter has a very high fever, but there's no doctor available. When they finally saw one, the doctor said there's nothing to fear and to take her home. Here, we run to the doctor for every little thing. People go to Vellore for treatment, but even Kolkata's PG Hospital is no less.
Interviewer:
Many rare operations have been done here too.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Exactly. But despite that, we are living in fear. People have no idea what days are coming. Severe storms are also coming, causing massive destruction and loss of life.
Interviewer:
Gurudev, I really want to know more about the "Bhabishya Malika" (Prophetic Texts) you've been mentioning for months. Is there a connection between the Mother's arrival and the Malika?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
No, there is no direct connection. The Bhabishya Malika was written by five sages under the direction of Lord Jagannath. Lord Jagannath is the Bhairava, and Goddess Bimala is the Bhairavi. Puri is a Tantra Peetha (center of Tantric power). Every year, a sacrifice is performed there while the temple of Jagannath remains closed. Because Goddess Bimala is there, it is a Sakti Peetha. Many people don't know this. On the day of Ashtami, a goat sacrifice is performed while all doors are shut.
Interviewer:
What is the reason for that, Gurudev?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Because Jagannath is the Supreme Vaishnava, Lord Narayan himself. He is Krishna. His heart is within the idol. It is said his heart still beats, and his hair and beard grow. These are divine matters that science cannot explain, no matter how hard it tries.
Interviewer:
Science has often had to bow down before spirituality.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes, science will have to bow. Right now, three types of suffering are occurring: Bhoutik (physical/ghostly), Adhibhoutik (environmental/natural), and Daivik (divine). People come to me all the time saying they are affected by spirits or various other problems.
Interviewer:
I mentioned a similar incident to you a couple of days ago that was hard to explain.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes, those are Bhoutik and Adhibhoutik—illnesses, accidents, etc. Doctors and Tantriks can sometimes help with those. But Daivik problems are in God's hands. We have to leave those to Him. We are currently suffering through all three. Scientists are also warning us that the world may only have a short time left. They keep giving us these scares—that the world will end in 7 or 10 days, or a 300 km/h storm is coming.
Interviewer:
But Gurudev, there seems to be a match between what science says and what you say.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
There will be a match, but science cannot provide the ultimate outcome that spirituality can. The year 2024 will be very dangerous. It is the year of Mars (Mangal). Goddess Bagalamukhi's play will begin, and there will be much bloodshed. World War III has effectively already begun. Like in WWII, where countries joined one by one, the same is happening now.
Interviewer:
It seems to be heading that way.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It has already progressed. Modern warships from the US and China are moving. Mass mortality is inevitable. Look at the situation in Israel and Gaza—so many people are dying. The news doesn't even show half of it.
Interviewer:
What they do show is already terrifying.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It's heart-wrenching. There's no use scaring people, but 2024 is a very grave year. I have Santanu here; he is a great astrologer. Santanu, what does astrology say about this?
Santanu:
2023 is ending, and these last three months (October, November, December) were very critical. But the consequences in 2024 will be even more horrific. The planetary positions are very tough right now. When Saturn was in the Shatabhisha Nakshatra in Aquarius and moved into Dhanishta (ruled by Mars), the Israel-Palestine war began. Now, as Saturn moves toward Uttara Bhadrapada and Pisces, there is a high possibility of a World War. The situation is bad because the Sun and Mars are currently sitting together in Swati Nakshatra (ruled by Rahu). This will trigger massive egos in people.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Brother will turn against brother. Hatred and violence will increase, leading to more deaths. You can see it already—people are being killed over trivial matters.
Santanu:
It will take a more severe form. When Saturn moves from Dhanishta to Uttara Bhadrapada, the trouble will truly start. From 2024 to 2025, Saturn will cross three Nakshatras. By the time Saturn enters Aries, an entire era will have ended. The war will likely conclude by then, but not much will be left.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
That will be around 2025?
Santanu:
Yes, 2024 is Saturn's year, and 2025 is Mars' year.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
By then, the World War will end because this is the age of nuclear weapons; it won't last long. It will end everything quickly.
Santanu:
When Saturn touches Purva Bhadrapada in December, the suppressed hatred of nations will burst into war. Every country will be involved.
Interviewer:
Gurudev, Santanu—people generally fear Saturn (Shani Dev). Since 2024-25 is tied to Saturn, will the result be good or bad?
Santanu:
A beginning always has an end. Saturn was in Pisces in 1995, and now it's returning. Until it touches Uttara Bhadrapada, the situation will remain tense. Once the war involves the whole world, no one will back down.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
And then a new era will begin, but there will be very few people left. It is said in the Bhabishya Malika that India's population will reduce significantly, and only about 650 million people might remain globally. Given the way the war is progressing and the nuclear threats, we don't expect many to survive.
Santanu:
Currently, Rahu is in Ashwini Nakshatra. There will be a time when Saturn and Rahu's influences will meet. That will be a horrific time. No one will listen to anyone else.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
There will be chaos in every household. People will lose their tempers and insult one another. This is why people need to be conscious now. Focus on your Karma and have faith in God. This era is coming to an end. It's the cycle of time.
Interviewer:
Gurudev, I'm sorry to interrupt, but we are running out of time. If you both could give us more time for a follow-up discussion, it would be great.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
There's no point in scaring people more. But these events are likely. People are currently "asleep"—oblivious to what's coming. They need to wake up.
Interviewer:
Gurudev, pranam. Santanu, pranam to you too.