Devotee:
Pranam, Gurudev.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Pranam, my son.
Devotee:
Gurudev, we know about the four Yugas—Satya, Treta, Dwapara, and Kali. Across these ages, the distance between gods and demons has changed significantly, leading us to our current situation. How would you explain this?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Look, great wars have always occurred between demons and gods. During the churning of the ocean (Samudra Manthan), there was a compromise made with the demons. Every time such a compromise was reached, the gods didn't always abide by it. The gods used every means—fair or foul—to fulfill their purposes. There is a saying: "Devanam Karyasidhartham Abhirbhavati Sah Jwala"—gods appear in various forms to ensure their work is done. If you look at the churning of the ocean, there was a contract: whatever came out would be split 50/50. When poison emerged, no one wanted it. But when the nectar of immortality (Amrit) appeared, everyone was ready to claim it. In the Satya Yuga, people lived in truth. The demons and giants also existed then, but they maintained a vast distance from the gods. There was no immediate conflict because they occupied entirely different spheres. We call them the fourteen worlds (Bhuban). Even NASA has now demonstrated through animations that these fourteen worlds exist; they’ve provided diagrams. We speak of this because we have seen it. In Satya Yuga, one side lived in righteousness while the demons lived far away, preferring their own ways. Because of this distance, sudden quarrels or wars were rare. Then came the Treta Yuga. In this age, even Lord Ramachandra faced a "stain" or a difficult trial. Think of Sita’s fire ordeal (Agni Pariksha) or her descent into the earth. During this time, the distance between gods and demons began to decrease. In the war of the Ramayana, some demons, like Vibhishana, were on Rama’s side. The gap was closing. Then came the Dwapara Yuga. In this age, it was "two parts sin and two parts virtue." Just as there was virtue, there was an equal amount of sin. Krishna himself had to navigate this, which eventually led to the destruction of the Yadu clan. Look at the Kauravas—we can consider them the demonic force—and the five Pandavas, who were the virtuous ones. They were part of the same family. The gods and demons were now living under the same roof. Now, we are in the Kali Yuga. What you see now is almost entirely sin. Demons have entered every home. By "demon," I mean the evil tendencies that have ruined the atmosphere. Now, the god and the demon reside within the same human body. You will see a person speak well one moment and act wickedly the next, depending on which force is dominant in them at that time. This duplicity is a key trait of this age. Krishna once explained this to the Pandavas through the vision of an elephant with two trunks. It signifies that man will say one thing and do another.
Devotee:
So, Gurudev, in Satya Yuga the distance was great, and now in Kali Yuga, they reside in the same person. How will this evil be removed from the human mind?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
As I said, the gods will descend again. They will take birth, as will great saints and sages. The situation will change. There will be a great war with massive loss of life and bloodshed. After that, the gods will stand in line again. Divinity will take birth, and even though demons will also be born, they will no longer hold power because virtue will return. When the gods and great souls return to Earth, they will help the Kalki Avatar. The "Seven Immortals" (Chiranjeevis) alone won't be enough; he will need more support. We still have about 50 years of Kali Yuga left. It won't end today; it will likely conclude around the year 2050 or 2075. It will be a very difficult time, but these souls will manage it and cleanse the human consciousness. Currently, three states coexist: Bhoutik (Physical/Ghostly), Adhibhoutik (Supernatural/Suffering), and Daivik (Divine). People are caught between these. You wouldn't believe the things I see—thousands of people come to me, and I see how these three forces are at play. People today have become arrogant. They say, "There is no God," or "I am God." They believe they don't need divine help. This mentality is at its peak. This will continue until 2050. Only then will a resolution come. It will take time for these divine souls to grow and cleanse the world.
Devotee:
So, the central theme is that as the Yugas progressed, the distance between the divine and the demonic decreased, leading to the internal conflict we see today. Thank you, Gurudev, for this explanation.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Pranam.
Devotee:
Pranam, Gurudev.