Host:
Dear friends, I start today's episode by offering my respects to Mother and Bama Khapa at Shantikunja. A warm welcome to those new to the Gupta Sadhak Shama Khapa YouTube channel, and my thanks to our old friends for staying with us. Greetings, Gurudev.
Gurudev:
Greetings, child.
Host:
I want to know—is God created by humans? Did we create God?
Gurudev:
Of course. Humans created God based on their needs. But creating God isn't enough; God needs power. And only a Sadhak (spiritual practitioner) can give that power to the Mother. The Mother herself has no inherent power in an idol. If you take a statue of the Mother and break its arms or cut its throat, will it speak? No.
Gurudev:
But if you infuse power into it, that power works. Then, if you try to cut its throat, your own throat might be cut. This is the law. Sadhaks keep God alive for their own spiritual success.
Gurudev:
It is said, "Abhirbhabati Sarvada"—meaning a Sadhak, for their own benefit, awakens the Mother and gives her power.
Gurudev:
Power is a cosmic thing. You have to bring it down from above, give it to the Mother, and then the Mother gives that power back to you.
Gurudev:
Don't think you can just take that power directly for yourself. That power is so fierce it could kill you. That's why we say: bring the power down, give it to the Mother, and she will give it to you.
Host:
So you're saying only a high-level Sadhak can take cosmic power and channel it into a deity?
Gurudev:
Absolutely. There's no doubt about it. Where there is no Sadhak, the Mother is not "awake." The Sadhak awakens her and gives her all the power. From that, the Sadhak gains realization and shares it with others who come to the Mother with their prayers.
Gurudev:
Let me tell you about the "God Particle." You've heard of it, right? It has no power of its own. It just stays wherever it's put.
Gurudev:
But if that God Particle enters someone, their power increases tremendously. This is a recent discovery. Similarly, if a Sadhak gives power to the Mother, both the Sadhak and the Mother utilize that power.
Gurudev:
A Sadhak doesn't play with power directly from the sky. They bring it down, give life to the Mother, and then receive from her. It's a remarkable process. You can't do anything directly; if you do, death is certain.
Host:
So, you're saying a medium is needed, and that medium is a human. Humans have called upon God.
Gurudev:
"Humans become gods, or they become incarnations." This was the saying of Bhaba Pagla. Humans become equal to gods. They gather power, put it in the Mother, and then draw power from her.
Host:
Gurudev, all the gods and goddesses we see today were created by some Sadhak. Because as you said, you take cosmic power, master it, and then channel it into a deity.
Gurudev:
Look at the Dasha Mahavidya or the places where parts of Sati/Parvati fell. Power was created there. The deities there tell us, "I am here; awaken me." You cannot awaken them without humans. Where there are no humans, there is no God.
Gurudev:
Only a Sadhak can keep the Mother awake. No one else has that capacity. When a Sadhak leaves, the Mother might leave too. It's not possible for an ordinary person.
Gurudev:
Think of Bama Khapa. He played with the Mother, established her, and then left. Now, people come and utilize the power he left with her.
Gurudev:
That's why there are crowds there. Someone was there who gave their power to the Mother—Bama Khapa. Everyone does this. Power is given to God, and then God gives power to the Sadhak.
Gurudev:
A Sadhak can't take direct power; the whole body would shake. So, the power is brought indirectly and given to the Mother. There's a method for it. Then the Sadhak draws from her. Where there is no Sadhak, there is no Mother.
Host:
Usually, in times of danger, we call on God. The fact that we are calling on God means we created God.
Gurudev:
Exactly. Humans created God and gave God power. God as an object doesn't exist independently. Sadhaks give their power to God, and God enjoys that power as long as the Sadhak is nearby.
Gurudev:
Take Kalighat or Tarapith. Bama Khapa and Atmaram Brahmachari established those. They are still there with the same power. Someone had to awaken them; they didn't awaken themselves.
Gurudev:
For example, Nakuleshwar. When the Kali idol was established, a white cow—Kamdhenu—would enter the forest, do something, and leave. The people who established the Mother were curious. They watched from behind the trees and saw the cow pouring milk over the Nakuleshwar Shiva Lingam. It would come regularly, give milk, and leave. That's how Nakuleshwar, the Mother's Bhairava, was discovered.
Host:
So, humans discovered or created God. Even educated people often don't understand this. We just call on God out of ignorance.
Gurudev:
There's a difference between calling on God and understanding God. People cry "Ma Kali, Ma Kali," but understanding what Ma Kali is, her power, and her essence—that is what's important. Most people don't do that.
Gurudev:
You have to know what Kali is and what her power is. Without knowing, you'll just do things incorrectly.
Gurudev:
It happens according to the fruits of your Karma (actions). Calling on God or becoming a Sadhak is a matter of many lifetimes. Buddha said he had taken birth so many times that his bones would form a mountain. So, one has to be born many times—sometimes with a family, sometimes without—to eventually reach maturity and truly "see" God.
Host:
People often say to you, "You are God. Whatever you say will happen." Why don't they say that to the deity in the temple? They come to you instead.
Gurudev:
Because the Mother cannot speak, but I can. People come to me because I can talk to them. They say, "You know my whole history; if you say it, it will happen." So, what is the value of the deity in the temple then? People seek me out, not the deity. Why? Because I can say "yes" or "no." They believe if I say it, the Mother will listen. I hear this all the time. Humans become gods or incarnations. I am just a medium.
Host:
You are taking the Mother's power and distributing it among us.
Gurudev:
These things shouldn't be discussed openly; it's not good. These are secret matters that must be handled with great care and caution. Otherwise, one goes to hell.
Gurudev:
I won't call myself a "great soul," but I do help some people and do various works. If people want to call that "God," then I am God to them. People come looking for me. They often ignore the Mother standing right there. I have to tell them, "The Mother is standing right there; why are you coming to me?"
Host:
We've seen that often. People come to you first, even with a temple right in front of them. It's because you can speak, and they ask you to intercede for them. It's an emotional request. They want you to tell their words to the Mother.
Gurudev:
Yes, their logic is simple: "You tell the Mother so that my work gets done. If you tell her, it will happen."
Host:
We were listening to Gurudev's discussion today. My question was whether God is a human creation, and he explained through various examples that yes, God is created by humans. It was very insightful. Thank you, Gurudev.
Gurudev:
Blessings, child.
Verified and Prepared by Kaliputra-Ashish
Jai Ma.
Spiritual Insight
A profound conversation with Guru Shyama Khyapa Baba on whether humans created God, the power of Sadhaks, and the awakening of the Divine Mother. Explore the relationship between the practitioner, the deity, and the cosmic power.