Devotee:
Greetings, Gurudeb.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes, greetings Bapan. Please, have a seat.
Devotee:
This India of ours is the land of Sanatan Hindu religion. But it seems to me that for quite some time, this religion had become very limited and confined.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes.
Devotee:
And as much as it had been suppressed, lately I see it's trying to awaken again.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
That's exactly what happens. Sanatan religion is like that—it lies dormant for a while. This is its core nature. Hindu Sanatan religion sleeps, and when it finally wakes up, it awakens with a fierce power. Perhaps it hasn't seen a rebirth like this in a very long time. For so long, you couldn't even say you were a Hindu. Tell me, on what basis would you even say that? You talk about "Hindutva," but on what basis would you claim to be a Hindu?
Devotee:
No, that wouldn't have been possible.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
But Swami Vivekananda explained somewhere what Hindutva really is. He said those who perform worship, practice meditation and yoga—those who constantly call upon the Divine—they are the ones who can truly take pride in being Hindu. Only those immersed in meditation and worship can genuinely say, "I am a Hindu." Right? That is the essence of the Hindu faith. Hindutva had almost vanished. Yet, the seeds are in the very roots of India. When India gained independence, we said there would be two countries: Hindustan and Pakistan.
Devotee:
Yes.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
But for some reason—perhaps due to the negligence of leaders and politicians—no one speaks of "Hindutvabad" anymore. The Muslims have kept their identity alive, but Hindus are not awake; they are sleeping. However, the Vedas say: "O great Hindu, stay awake. If you sleep, the world will sleep; the people will sleep; even the gods will sleep." This is the message of Hindutva: "O great Hindus, stay awake. You cannot sleep. You have not been given the right to sleep. If you stay awake, society stays awake; humanity stays awake; the gods stay awake." Right? Yes, that is what was written.
Devotee:
But Gurudeb, you just said that if the Hindu stays awake, the world stays awake. Does Hindu influence really span the entire world?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Absolutely. You just don't realize the extent of it yet. You haven't studied Hindutva deeply enough. But now, you will see what it truly is. It has been dormant for a long time. You've never seen anything like this in your life. The RSS (Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh) is coming forward. The Vishva Hindu Parishad (VHP) is coming forward. Massive organizations like Hanuman Gadh, which had been inactive for years, are now awakening. Perhaps this resurgence is need-based. It stays asleep until it's needed, and when it awakens, something momentous happens.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
From a scriptural perspective, I believe we have already entered the "Satya Yuga" (the Age of Truth). Whenever one eon ends and another begins, there is conflict, epidemics, and a global stir. One era has ended. According to the scriptures, we are already in the Satya Yuga. And Satya Yuga means that truth will prevail, and falsehood will no longer stand. That conflict has already begun. In all my years—and I have been a member for a long time—I haven't seen a stir like this until now. I'm seeing it now—the surge of Hindutva, the VHP, and the RSS moving forward. I didn't see this before, but I'm seeing it now. This proves that organizations like the RSS or VHP also wait for their time. They understand when they need to emerge. And so, they have appeared. Everywhere you look now, it's "BJP, BJP." But the BJP isn't just a political party.
Devotee:
Right.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
The Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP)... to me, as a party, it has no separate value. It's like a mask. You could call it a mask for the RSS or the VHP. They will solve many things and then move aside for others to take over. The BJP will perform reforms as much as it can. Understand this clearly: reformation has begun. From the cleaning of the Ganga onwards, the process has started. Not just among people, but the Ganga itself is being purified. And the Ganga is central to our Hindutva. So, slowly but surely, Hindutva is awakening. People are being educated about it now.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Vivekananda spoke about this long ago. Even back in 1902, people asked him, "Swamiji, how can we call ourselves Hindus?" He replied simply: those who believe in the faith, who call upon God, and who regularly practice meditation and prayer—they are the only true Hindus. He said this repeatedly. But then, over time, that identity was suppressed. Now it is rising again. You see the banners of the RSS and the VHP everywhere. You see their people. This is a massive endeavor, a monumental task. Sanatan religion is being reformed. Everyone is lending a hand, just as they did for the Ganga. This reformation is the first step of what we call Hindutva. I don't know where it will lead. Right? I don't know the final destination. Perhaps even someone like Netaji Subhas Chandra Bose might reappear.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
And today, there's a buzz about "Gyan Ganj" (a mystical land of sages). No one used to think about it; there was no reason to. But now, I see people are desperate to find Gyan Ganj. What is there that they are so eager for? Many are looking toward the saints and great souls of Gyan Ganj, waiting for them to descend to our level. There's a huge stir about this. I see TV channels making episodes on it; it's being promoted on YouTube.
Devotee:
Yes, it's being broadcast on various channels.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Exactly. It's being introduced slowly. Before a major event or a "blast," this is how things look. This is the buildup. Yes, go on.
Devotee:
Gurudeb, you were saying that the BJP we see is essentially a spokesperson for the VHP, the RSS, and other religious organizations. The BJP is built from all of them combined. So, without their support, the BJP cannot move forward. That's what you mean—that they are the force behind it.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Of course they are. And they are working on reforms now—various kinds of work. They have taken on religious reforms, restoring religious sites, and purifying our rivers like the Ganga and Jamuna. They have already begun. It's a massive, sacred task. In the coming days, this will become even more apparent. That's when the conflict will peak. Because we have entered the Satya Yuga. We are just at the threshold. There are four ages: Satya, Treta, Dwapar, and Kali. The influence of the Kali Yuga has almost faded; it's practically gone. Now it is the Age of Truth. Satya Yuga has begun to settle in. And whatever is destined for this age will happen. Hindu Sanatan religion will awaken fully. People will be drawn to it. You can see it already—the BJP's influence is growing day by day, especially in West Bengal. It's increasing tremendously. That's just how it goes.
Devotee:
Gurudeb, I wanted to ask... just as we see this awakening of religious organizations across India, the same is happening here in West Bengal now.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes, you can see it happening. It's gradual.
Devotee:
So, are you optimistic that a major change is coming here?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It's not just about optimism; it's about looking at the big picture. When you see everything together, you realize a stir has already begun. And since the Satya Yuga has started, miscreants, looters, and those who live by dishonesty will face a very difficult time. One by one, they will be caught. Their fate is grim. As time goes on, they will have to retreat because they never accepted the truth. When the truth is revealed, those in the darkness will have to flee. They will either have to run away or be driven to despair. This time has already begun. It's just the beginning.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes. In the coming days, the VHP, RSS, Hanuman Gadh—there are 12 or 13 such organizations working together. This is how the awakening starts. We've never seen anything like this before. You will see it too. Because the Satya Yuga is returning. Therefore, everything unrighteous will be washed away and cleared out completely.
Devotee:
Gurudeb, the return of Satya Yuga... doesn't that mean the world will be recreated? Because there will be destruction, earthquakes, and natural disasters. You said 2021 would be a critical year.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
I declared that even before it started. It's not just my opinion; I've read Nostradamus, and he predicted that 2021 would be very fierce. Both 2020 and 2021. 2020 has passed. If we get through 2021, we'll be relieved. But from what he wrote, I don't think India will be hit as hard. He wrote about the world as a whole, not any one specific region. Just as he wrote about the global context, I don't think his predictions will have a unique or devastating impact on India specifically.
Devotee:
So friends, you heard Gurudeb's thoughts on world peace—sorry, I misspoke—on the Vishva Hindu Parishad, Hindutva, and the Hindu Sanatan religion, which was lagging but has now started to move forward significantly. Their journey has begun. In the coming days, we will have a beautiful world and a beautiful India.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
It's bound to happen; there's no reason why it shouldn't. One thing goes, and another comes. Secularism was the previous phase. We were a secular state. But when India is eventually declared a "Hindu Rashtra" (Hindu State), there might be some danger. That danger is what people are afraid of—everyone is afraid of that transition.
Devotee:
Could that danger lead to something bad? Like loss of life?
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
There will be a loss of life. Man will kill man. That is what will happen. You haven't seen anything yet compared to what is coming. We haven't seen anything so far. 2020 was just a nightmare. 2021 will be just as intense. I can guarantee that 2021 won't be any less difficult.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Now, we have to see what those leading the VHP or the RSS, like Mohan Bhagwat and the other leaders, will do. They are very staunch. There's no doubt about that. And truthfully, our current Prime Minister, Narendra Modi, has been a core member of the BJP from the beginning. Right? But with the conflict that is starting, everyone is afraid of what will happen next. The backdrop is quite intense. Yes, it is.
Devotee:
So friends, you heard this discussion with Gurudeb. I hope you found it interesting. Salutations, Gurudeb.
Guru Shyama Khyapa:
Yes, greetings Bapan.